line coil

[ivan562]

hello everyone i am new to fly fishing and this forum as well... the issue that i have encountered is that i develop line coil on my standard arbor reel (even after stretching my line). the line that i am using is a 6wt. scientific anglers stillwater invisible sub-surface fly line (clear in color). i'm looking towards buying a large arbor reel to eliminate as much line coil as possible. how large of a dia. should the arbor or the dia. of the reel be?
your input is appreciated.
ivan562 is who i am.

[WanderingBlues]

I think it has to do with line quality as much as anything. I have a 3" diameter reel with the SA GPX Mastery ($80.00) on it with no line coil. However, when I switch spools to a line made by Cabelas ($30.00 line)' it coils horribly.

Welcome to the board!

[trouterfan1]

Most likely the problem is the sci angler stillwater line, should have gone with the Rio aqualux that has a 40' clear head and a translucent green running line. A very slick line as well that will throw 90+ ft. easily. I have a mid arbor reel and get no line coil whatsoever...of course my line recommendation is based on preferential opinion.

[1mocast]

The line memory is also dependent on the temperatures. The colder the temps, the more memory....

[ivan562]

thanks for the info guys! now i understand.

[RiverRat]

The Stillwater is one of the best lines ever made in my opinion. I used it in half frozen lakes, the Puget Sound, and Olympic NP. Worked great.

Mine is over ten years old and casts like a dream. When you put it away don't wrap it too tight on the spool. A warm water bath and good stretch should fix the problem. That line is very stretchy so don't be afraid to pull hard. Wrapping your line too tight in extreme hot weather will make it coil too..now I live in Bakersfield


shane

[nick562]

Hey Ivan562 same area code as I, a large arbor would more likely reduce the coil diameter that occurs but, if it's new line just takes time to break it in.I like stillwater though ive heard a deal of things about other intermediate lines just make sure you clean your line after every use especially when fishing murky water this will boost the longevity don't leave it in the sun or it tends to start cracking keep stretching it before use as it is a mono based line which tends to get more memory.

[briansII]

As Nick said, that line is most likely a mono based line, which can have memory issues. A large arbor reel will help, but the coils will just be bigger in diameter. A good stretching is about all that you can do for that line. If I am fishing lakes with an intermediate line, I will give them a thorough stretch. I have even stripped off most of the line, wrapped it around the side view mirror of my truck, and pulled on it. This takes just about all of the memory/coils out.

briansII

[ivan562]

i was thinking of buying the new orvis large arbor Hydros reel 5/6 wt.(3 2/3 diameter) to help with the line coil issue. the diameter of this reel is larger than most 5/6 wt. reels on the market. orvis states that it is a true large arbor reel and has a totally sealed drag system. but is its weight of 5 oz. to heavy for a 6wt. rod
(Lefty Kreh TiCr Series 9ft. 4 section 4.3 oz.) and this sealed drag how would it compare to a lamson reel. has anyone had the chance to review this reel? or what are your opinions on orvis reels? or should i go with lamson/waterworks reels which have a smaller arbor/reel diameter ?


"There are no other true large arbor, big game fly reels out there that carry this drag system performance at a price starting under $200. It's unheard of until now. The new Hydros Reel Series features a scaled drag surface that increases total drag surface by model: The larger the reel, the larger the drag surface and the more resistance available to handle larger fish. Using stacked carbon washers in a totally sealed configuration, controlled by a positive click adjustment system, the Hydros can be fine tuned to handle any fish from a trout to a tuna with sustained and infinitely durable drag pressure. The large arbor multiplies retrieval rates, eliminates line coil and significantly reduces fatigue during multiple hook-ups. Now available in three bold colors with a new easy to handle Mirage-style handle, in sizes I through VI. Large arbor fly reals: power, price, and performance equal perfection." orvis site...


Hydros Large Arbor I for line weights 1-2; 3.9 oz., 3" diameter.
Hydros Large Arbor II for line weights 3-4; 4.3 oz., 3 1/3" diameter.
Hydros Large Arbor III for line weights 5-6; 5 oz., 3 2/3" diameter.
Hydros Large Arbor IV for line weights 7-8; 6.9 oz., 3⅞ diameter.
Hydros Large Arbor V for line weights 9-10; 8 oz., 4¼ diameter.
Hydros Large Arbor VI for line weights 11-12; 8.5 oz., 4½ diameter.


Available in New Gold, Black, Titanium
New larger Mirage style handle
Totally sealed drag system
Hydros I—II have a two Carbon Washer Drag System
Hydros III—V have a four Carbon Washer Drag System
Hydros VI has a six Carbon Washer Drag System (definitely the strongest drag system in its class)

[briansII]

i was thinking of buying the new orvis large arbor Hydros reel 5/6 wt.(3 2/3 diameter) to help with the line coil issue. the diameter of this reel is larger than most 5/6 wt. reels on the market. orvis states that it is a true large arbor reel and has a totally sealed drag system. but is its weight of 5 oz. to heavy for a 6wt. rod
(Lefty Kreh TiCr Series 9ft. 4 section 4.3 oz.) and this sealed drag how would it compare to a lamson reel. has anyone had the chance to review this reel? or what are your opinions on orvis reels? or should i go with lamson/waterworks reels which have a smaller arbor/reel diameter ?


"There are no other true large arbor, big game fly reels out there that carry this drag system performance at a price starting under $200. It's unheard of until now. The new Hydros Reel Series features a scaled drag surface that increases total drag surface by model: The larger the reel, the larger the drag surface and the more resistance available to handle larger fish. Using stacked carbon washers in a totally sealed configuration, controlled by a positive click adjustment system, the Hydros can be fine tuned to handle any fish from a trout to a tuna with sustained and infinitely durable drag pressure. The large arbor multiplies retrieval rates, eliminates line coil and significantly reduces fatigue during multiple hook-ups. Now available in three bold colors with a new easy to handle Mirage-style handle, in sizes I through VI. Large arbor fly reals: power, price, and performance equal perfection." orvis site...


Hydros Large Arbor I for line weights 1-2; 3.9 oz., 3" diameter.
Hydros Large Arbor II for line weights 3-4; 4.3 oz., 3 1/3" diameter.
Hydros Large Arbor III for line weights 5-6; 5 oz., 3 2/3" diameter.
Hydros Large Arbor IV for line weights 7-8; 6.9 oz., 3⅞ diameter.
Hydros Large Arbor V for line weights 9-10; 8 oz., 4¼ diameter.
Hydros Large Arbor VI for line weights 11-12; 8.5 oz., 4½ diameter.


Available in New Gold, Black, Titanium
New larger Mirage style handle
Totally sealed drag system
Hydros I—II have a two Carbon Washer Drag System
Hydros III—V have a four Carbon Washer Drag System
Hydros VI has a six Carbon Washer Drag System (definitely the strongest drag system in its class)

Sounds like you want to buy a new reel. If so, go for it!!

I still think the main issue is the fly line. The only way to solve that with a reel, is to get one the diameter of a 55 gal drum. I have some fly lines that coil. Most are mono core shooting lines. I use them on 9/10 wt large arbor reels, and they still have coils.....just larger. The only way to use them and not get tangles, is to stretch them.

briansII

[ivan562]

I guess i will be buying a new large arbor reel and giving my line a warm water bath and good stretch before and after every use. any opinions on orvis vs lamson water works reels.

[briansII]

I guess i will be buying a new large arbor reel and giving my line a warm water bath and good stretch before and after every use. any opinions on orvis vs lamson water works reels.

I don't have any of the new generation Orvis reels, but I have more than a few of the older models. Also have a few of the Lamsons. When it comes to recommending one over the other, I think it's more personal preference than performance. Both should be fine trout reels. Both have true large arbors that you seek. Both look cool. One thing of note. The Hydros is a brand new model. As far as I know, it does not have a long track record of happy users. The Lamsons do.

Personally, i'd buy a Nautilus FWX.

briansII

[ivan562]

thanks for the info, im thinking of buying a lamson.

[saltyfly]

Ivan562,
The best remedy for line coils.get up early morning ,go fishing and catch some Large Mouth Bass (maybe a two digit Bass) .Which will stretch the * out of your line . Whats up Ivan

[fish-on-bro]

Stretch your line before making your first cast of the day, works like a charm. All the big names do it. Dave whitlock is the one who gave me the tip.

Fish-on-bro, out....