so i need to start tying flies...

[anacrime]

more specifically, i need to start tying streamers. my streamers are getting torn up, broken off, or lost to jungle vines.

at the moment i've been throwing mostly weighted streamers. my sink tip doesn't get down fast enough. i've also been using a few unweighted ones and adding a couple split shots to the flouro.

i know i want to tie conehead rubber leg wooly buggers in olive and black (i'm thinking size 2-4) but i'm open to other big patterns. so far it seems black and olive colors are working the best.

so if any one has a minute or two, can you type me up a list of supplies i need to buy? also, if you have a website showing how to tie them that would be fantastic. i'd like to buy a book, and still may, but funds are tight at the moment. i'll probably be buying stuff from flyshop.co.nz, if that matters.

thanks guys!

shane

[rayfound]

Steve Schalla's site has a good selection of recipes/instructions. Not too many streamers, but you can basically take a regular bugger and add the cone and legs I think.

http://stevenojai.tripod.com/flybox.htm

[anacrime]

nice, thanks ray. i forgot about steve's site.

[RiverRat]

http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/
http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/flybox/index.cfm

One of the best sites out there. Complete materials list and tying instructions for each pattern.


shane

cool name by the way

[anacrime]

what's the difference b/w saddle hackles and strung saddle hackles? the saddle hackles are super expensive. and flyshop.co.nz doesn't have a strung saddle hackle in black. can i dye this stuff via koolaid method?

[midger]

Charlie's flybox is great for step by steps on how to tie various flies. As far as flies, I'd tie som Circus Peanuts, Sex Dungeons, Meat Whistles, and Tungsten conehead buggers with and without rubber legs. I use tungsten cones on almost all of my larger streamers. They are about 3X the weight of the brass cones and they sink flies very quickly. The circus peanuts and sex dungeons are articulated flies--ie they have two hooks, with the stinger hook trailing the main hook by anywhere from an inch to 3 inches depending on fly size. The best how tos for tying circus peanuts and sex dungeons are on Kelly Galloup's dvds. If you don't have access to them, let me know--shoot me an address.

John Barr's Book is also a good one for getting you into larger flies and it has step by steps on his Meat Whistle fly. Here's one like I use and tie:



Clouser minnows, zonkers, and woolhead sculpins should also be in your boxes.

Large muddlers are another fly you may want to consider, and some floating mice like the foam/deer hair one I use called a Skater Rat for late at night................

Here's one in Pink--I also do them in natural brown and chartreuse:

[Sheriff Joe]

I think you're just mad because I took your best conehead bugger. I know you're a whiz, but check ebay. You could likely get a lot of cheap conehead buggers and then cannibalize the parts and retie to your own specs, and if shipping is prohinbitively expensive you can just pay for one lot this way.

Now stop asking about tying and go catch some more fish and post the * pics!

[Eric]

Shane here is a link to Galloups web site. the link will take you to the order page for his streamers
http://www.slideinn.com/store/index.php ... 7b772bdba5
Good luck Eric

[midger]

There also is an article on Flyfisherman Mag about trigger flies. Here's a link to the Sex Dungeon along with picture.

http://www.flyfisherman.com/ftb/kgtrigger/index5.html

[thtsarumr]

Try some #2-6 Bunny Leeches with or without eggs in black and olive. Ill post a pick in a bit. Also browns love big olive Matuka's say size #8 2xlong. Good luck buddy.

[stanbery]

Here is a few for you
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/fotw2/041607fotw.php
http://www.fishnet.com.au/flyswap/flybox_archive.html
http://www.flyfishingconnection.com/patterns/fly_tying.php
Video clips
http://www.flytyingclips.com/
http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?act=flyindex
http://www.flyfishingnetwork.org/fly-patterns/
http://www.rackelhanen.se/eng/10018.htm
http://www.flyfishingjacksonhole.com/fly_tying/tying_steps-main.htm
http://stevenojai.tripod.com/homepage.htm

For hooks for streamers I use Tiemco 5263 Nymphs and streamers
Perfect bend
Down eye
2X heavy
3X long
Forged
Bronze

Jon

[KRoberts1]

Barr's slumpbuster is an easy tie and vey effective for dredging deep slots. I like Midger's thoughts on the meat whistle, circus peanut * sex dungeon, too. All very effective entree's on the menu. But, check with your locals and see what the Kiwi's are serving up for big fish meals. I'm sure they have some very good ethnic ties. On Blanton's site, check with "Louie the Fish". He just posted a report on there. Been on the North island for the past 2 month's. I'm sure he can give you some more ideas.

keith

[briansII]

Ditto on the rabbit strip/bunny leech style streamers. They are very easy to tie, and have a lot of motion in the water. They're also very durable.

This YouTube page has some other rabbit strip leeches, and one that shows the movement in the water.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KakimPJUPNY

The slumpbuster is another easy tie.

I tie and use a lot of Conehead, Bow River Buggers. It's basically a tungsten conehead bugger, but has a spun deerhead, just behind the conehead. Brown and tan work best for me here, but I carry olive and black too. I use very little flash, unlike this one/traditional one, that has a lot of blue Flashabou in the tail.

Recipe:
Hook. Dai Riki 700(cheap, strong and very sharp), or equvalent.
Wapsi, large, tungsten cones in black, copper, or gold.
Natural, olive, brown or black, dyed coastal deerhair.
Wapsi, Wooly Bugger Chenille. Medium(preferred for #4 or smaller)or large. This has sparse flash.
Hareline Dubbing, 5-7" Strung Saddle Hackle.
Hareline Dubbing, X-Select Marabou.
Krystal Flash(2-3 strands in the tail)

Again, it's basically a conehead bugger, but tied with spun deerhair behind the cone. After sliding the conehead on the hook, I like to make 5-7 wraps of lead wire(.025 - .030) just behind the cone. I slide the wire wraps up tight to the cone, and secure it good with thread. This helps keep the cone from sliding back and mashing the whole fly when you get snagged......and you will get snagged, because the fly is heavy. For the tail, I like to strip the fibers off both sides of the quill, but I don't use the tip. The side fibers give the tail a lot of movement, but I don't think the tip adds anything, except some bulk. The spun head is very basic. One big clump usually does it, but sometimes I use 2 medium clumps. Trimming is pretty straightfoward. Traditional pattern is to trim evenly in a circle, but you can also trim it with a flatter, wider shape, to mimic a sculpin.

http://globalflyfisher.com/patterns/bowriver/

This page should give you some ideas on patterns. FWIW, the flies from this shop are high quality.

http://www.riverbum.com/Streamer-Flies/ ... 2a/page/1/

HTH
briansII

[anacrime]

so awesome, thanks guys. didn't get a chance to check all the links out yet but sounds like a good plan for today

[darrin terry]

Shane, I asked on another board where there are a number of Kiwis thinking some local input might be in order.

So far the two reponses are:

I haven't really fished streamers on NZ's rivers, so cant add much value!

I fished a large Woolly Bugger on the Hutt river recently, brought 4 fish out in about half many hours (thats not bad for the Hutt).

Pattern:
Hook #8 TMC long shank
Bead: Tatanium colored cone, 4.5mm
Body: Sparkle Crystal in a peppermint green
Hackle: Black
Tail: Black

&

Isn't the matuka a pattern that was created in NZ? Why not start there?

When you check out Steve Schalla's site make sure to check: http://stevenojai.tripod.com/matuku.htm