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The Perils of ultralight furled leader making

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The Perils of ultralight furled leader making

Postby rayfound » January 10th, 2010, 10:47 pm

So, I think I have gotten 5 leader tapers developed to try on the ultralights. I have not been overly successful yet (but I'm not giving up). My failure rate is sitting at around 75% I Think.

Its a bit disheartening - Its not like there is one place where I always * it up... on some, I'll slip up wrapping through the posts, on others, I'll lose a loop transferring from the hooks to the drill, others I've cut the line at the tip end trying to feed the paperclip through for the weight... and the most dreaded failure: a screwup or breakage making the shorb loop.



On to the details/science.

When I started looking for a material to create ultralight furled leaders for my 00wt, I decided I needed finer Mono than the 2lb I had been finding at the big5 (which was about .007 diameter). I have considered 7x ... But the issue is cost... There's about 90-100 feet of material in a furled leader... So it gets expensive if your source material is costly.


Of the two quilting Monofilament threads I purchased, Clear .004 and Smoke .004, I have two vastly different products (despite identical packaging).

The clear actually measures .0035 (between 7x and 8x) by my calipers and feels fairly inconsistent (like somewhat curly-qued... it straightens out when stretched) in the hands (single strand), and has a very low break strength - less than 1 lb.

The smoke, on the other hand feels much smoother, stronger (though I haven't break-tested it, yet, i've tied the smoke line to some cabelas brand 6x... In 3 tests it broke the 6x tippet every time.... I may have found the worlds cheapest 6x tippet), and unsurprisingly also measures a good deal thicker (.005 - equivalent to 6x). So with that in mind, I have three different tapers made using the Clear, and one Taper using the Smoke.


On the "Equivalent Single Strand' calculations - these are an attempt to calculate how the mass of the leader would compare, per given length, to a store-bought Nylon Monofilament tapered leader. The calculation is made calculating and comparing the cross-sectional surface area. This should correlate to the volume for a given length, and therefore the mass for the given length - based on the assumption that the nylon in the material I am using and the nylon used in tapered leaders are roughly comparable, at least in weight. I see no reason why this would not be the case.


The Tapers I have made are (I apologize for the lack of formatting of the tables below):

Clear:

22 Strand Butt - 6 strand Tip.

Thickness Strands Equivalent Single strand Mass
0.0035 22 0.016
0.0035 6 0.009


26 Strand Butt, 10 strand tip

Thickness Strands Equivalent Single strand Mass
0.0035 26 0.018
0.0035 10 0.011


26 Strand Butt, 6 strand Tip

Thickness Strands Equivalent Single strand Mass
0.0035 26 0.018
0.0035 6 0.009


In the smoke:
22 Strand Butt, 6 strand tip

Thickness Strands Equivalent Single strand Mass
0.005 22 0.023
0.005 6 0.012

18 Strand Butt, 6 strand tip
Thickness Strands Equivalent Single strand Mass
0.005 18 0.021
0.005 6 0.012



Anyway, Hopefully I'll have this dialed in soon soon, I would love to hear any ideas that anyone has for more materials to try (monofilaments only... I'm not a fan of the thread leaders), or sources of cheap, tiny monofilaments.

Its actually quite fun, but this nylon thread is maddeningly difficult to work with for a variety of reasons. Still my failure rate hovers in the 60-70% range... considering its less than $0.20 in material per leader, I'm not losing any sleep over it.

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Re: The Perils of ultralight furled leader making

Postby fly addict » January 11th, 2010, 7:53 am

Ray,

Now the only question is, when are you going to try them out?

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Re: The Perils of ultralight furled leader making

Postby Artin » January 11th, 2010, 8:03 am

Nicely done! :rockon: Even at a "25% success rate" (the cup is always half full!)

I don't even know how to make these!

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Re: The Perils of ultralight furled leader making

Postby RubiKinda » January 11th, 2010, 8:21 am

25% success is better than what I ever got. I dabbled with this for a while & never really got the "feel" for the twisting to make it worth my time. I went down the same road of tring to find the right mono for the job & never came across it. I did have much better results when I went to the super-braid lines which are pricey. The best mono I came across was the pink Ande line. Throw some pictures up of the jig you are using, I'm curious.
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Re: The Perils of ultralight furled leader making

Postby Pete » January 11th, 2010, 9:18 am

Not a bad failure rate using that size material. I have a 25% failure rate using the 2lb. test. Then again I am not one of you ultra light freaks ;). You guys are loco :bananadance: .

They should definately hold up to your ultra light tippet. By design they should be quite a bit stronger than 6x or 7x tippet. Plus you have to take into account they stretch some when a fish playing tug-o-war.

Do you use a shorter jig for the ultra light leaders? My shortest jig will make 5' leaders. Then with the tippet they are about 7' to 8' long.

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Re: The Perils of ultralight furled leader making

Postby rayfound » January 11th, 2010, 2:10 pm

My jig nets about a 5' leader... I will generally add 18" of 4x or 5x and then 24-36" of 5x or 6x, for a total of around 9'. Sometimes more, sometimes less.

I'll take some shots later of my setup, it's not complicated.

With 2lb mono I was getting about 75% success. A good number of the failures with the thread is the fault of the spool it came on being hard to pass through the loops. Will try transferring to another spool next batch.
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Re: The Perils of ultralight furled leader making

Postby castaway » January 11th, 2010, 8:17 pm

I just got a few new leaders from "the book mailer" Very fine/light leaders. You might contact them and see if they can help you out.

Ray, I pretty much run the same set up as you.... but I buy my furled leader short... only about 3 or 4 feet.

http://www.thebookmailer.com/

Also pretty sure you can order the micro-rings, if that tickles your fly.

What about ultra-light spider wire? I think it is supposed to be "the thing" for the bait dunkers...might be super thin..
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