Question about Calif Fishing Regs - placement of weight?

[RichardCullip]

I just read this section of the California Freshwater Fishing Regs and am confused by the language of 2.10.4

2.10. Hook and Weight Restrictions.
(a) Definition of Gap: For the purposes of this section, “gap” means the distance measured from the point of a hook to the shank.
(b) Maximum Gaps and Gear Rigging for Rivers and Streams unless otherwise provided (does not apply to lakes and reservoirs, the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta (see Section 1.71 for definition of the Delta), and the Colorado River).
1. No person shall use any single hook with a gap greater than 1 inch or any multiple hook with a gap greater than 3/4 inch.
2. It is unlawful to use any hook which is directly or indirectly attached closer than 18 inches to any weight exceeding 1/2 ounce.
3. It is unlawful to use any multiple hook or more than one single hook on non-buoyant lures exceeding one ounce.
[i]4. It is unlawful to use any weight directly attached below a hook.[/i]

Does this language prohibit a drop-shot type rigging where the weight is attached to the end of the leader, below the last fly?

If so, how do the bass guys get away with drop-shotting?

[rayfound]

There is some distinction between "Directly attached" and "indirectly attached".... but what it is... I am not sure.

[NorcalBob]

What that means is you can not have any weight directly attached to the hook below the bend of the hook (ie, like a snagging treble). It does not include drop shot style rigging because the weight is not directly attached to the hook itself.
But that would mean that a "butt weighted" streamer that I tye in which I tye on 100 mono to the hook shank and then wrap lead wire around the mono "tail" that extends beyond the bend of the hook would be illegal!!!! Oh well, good thing I have only a couple flies tyed like that and I hardly ever use it. Guess I need to throw all those flies out!!!!

[RichardCullip]

What that means is you can not have any weight directly attached to the hook below the bend of the hook (ie, like a snagging treble). It does not include drop shot style rigging because the weight is not directly attached to the hook.

Thanks for the interpretation. I was wondering what "directly attached" meant. Now I know.

[Papasequoia]

I saw an interesting setup on a flyfishing show about a week ago. The guy was talking about rigging up as if for bass, but using it fishing a streamer in deep, fast water. As I recall he used a Palomar knot to tie his streamer in to the middle of the line, leaving a couple of feet of line trailing. He tied a very heavy dropper onto that. Supposedly the lead gets the streamer down very, very quickly, bangs along the bottom, but keeps the streamer swimming a couple of feet above it. He also said you could tie a trailer onto the streamer. It was an interesting setup even though I don't think I would ever use it. I wondered after reading your post if it was legal, Richard, but according to Bob's definition it sounds like it would be.

[1mocast]

Yep to what Bob said.

From the context of that paragraph, I read it as to prevent the Huge Treble hook "SNAGGERS".

You know the ones who use a 1 ounce sliding weights with the "Grappling" hooks with the thick mono...Toss out as far as possible and reel in with the * snag motions.

I have seen it with my own eyes...

[RichardCullip]

I saw an interesting setup on a flyfishing show about a week ago. The guy was talking about rigging up as if for bass, but using it fishing a streamer in deep, fast water. As I recall he used a Palomar knot to tie his streamer in to the middle of the line, leaving a couple of feet of line trailing. He tied a very heavy dropper onto that. Supposedly the lead gets the streamer down very, very quickly, bangs along the bottom, but keeps the streamer swimming a couple of feet above it. He also said you could tie a trailer onto the streamer. It was an interesting setup even though I don't think I would ever use it. I wondered after reading your post if it was legal, Richard, but according to Bob's definition it sounds like it would be.

Papa - that's exactly how the bass guys rig up their drop-shot rigs. I've got a buddy who uses a similar rig when fly fishing the San Diego Bay out of his kayak. When the current really gets ripping, he will rig up his flies drop-shot style and get them down into the feeding zone. It's pretty difficult/dangerous to cast, especially when you get enough weight to overcome strong current but he catches fish with it.

[fflutterffly]

My interpetation is the same as Richard. If you tie on a 'tail' which the fly is attached to, a weight is not directly attached to the hook, via tippet. 4. It is unlawful to use any weight directly attached below a hook. However, I think I will be doing a little more investigation as to avoid fines.

[briansII]

What that means is you can not have any weight directly attached to the hook below the bend of the hook (ie, like a snagging treble).

I was just in a tackle shop, looking for some conventional, terminal tackle(hooks, line & small barrel swivels), to crossover into my fly fishing setups. I saw the weighted, snagging, treble hooks, displayed at the end of the long isle. Must be a popular item. And yes, I've seen them in use on a couple local streams.

briansII

[FlyinFish]

I was just in a tackle shop, looking for some conventional, terminal tackle(hooks, line & small barrel swivels), to crossover into my fly fishing setups. I saw the weighted, snagging, treble hooks, displayed at the end of the long isle. Must be a popular item. And yes, I've seen them in use on a couple local streams.

briansII

Get you some: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... s%3Disch:1

Must be legal somewhere...

[KRoberts1]

Not sure, but the Reg reference appears tobe for hooks greater than 3/4" gap and combined weights of 1/2 oz or greater?

keith