wild vs. Hatched

by **NorcalBob** » April 29th, 2010, 12:39 pm

I've never heard of the 13 parr marks theory!

Here's what Dr Peter Moyle has to say: "about 10 parr marks are usually present, even in adults, centered on the lateral line". The Golden's I submitted for my HTC had 12 parr marks (and I got the HTC)!!!!! :bananadance:

AFAIK, per previous discussion with Roger Bloom DFG, the only HTC species they apply a "purity test" for qualifying for the HTC is Paiute Cutt's. They must have under five spots total per side or are considered Lahontan hybrids. Otherwise, location where the fish is caught is the only criteria looked at. Must be true, because my KRR looked nothing like they were supposed to, but did come from a historical drainage!!! :rockon:

by **Rockstar Fisherman** » April 29th, 2010, 12:57 pm

NorcalBob wrote:AFAIK, per previous discussion with Roger Bloom DFG, the only HTC species they apply a "purity test" for qualifying for the HTC is Paiute Cutt's. They must have under five spots total per side or are considered Lahontan hybrids.

I always wondered how they would consider a Pauite since technically all the waters where the "wild pure strains" live are closed to all fishing.

by **RiverRat** » April 29th, 2010, 1:19 pm

NorcalBob wrote:I've never heard of the 13 parr marks theory!
Here's what Dr Peter Moyle has to say: "about 10 parr marks are usually present, even in adults, centered on the lateral line". The Golden's I submitted for my HTC had 12 parr marks (and I got the HTC)!!!!!
AFAIK, per previous discussion with Roger Bloom DFG, the only HTC species they apply a "purity test" for qualifying for the HTC is Paiute Cutt's. They must have under five spots total per side or are considered Lahontan hybrids. Otherwise, location where the fish is caught is the only criteria looked at. Must be true, because my KRR looked nothing like they were supposed to, but did come from a historical drainage!!!

That's why I asked. Couldn't remember :doh:

And I saw your KRR in your video

Roger Bloom grilled a friend of mine pretty hard on his coastal submission.

Rockstar Fisherman wrote:
NorcalBob wrote:AFAIK, per previous discussion with Roger Bloom DFG, the only HTC species they apply a "purity test" for qualifying for the HTC is Paiute Cutt's. They must have under five spots total per side or are considered Lahontan hybrids.

I always wondered how they would consider a Pauite since technically all the waters where the "wild pure strains" live are closed to all fishing.

The waters used to be open at the beginning of the HTC.

shane

my work is really slow today

by **NorcalBob** » April 29th, 2010, 2:31 pm

<<<Roger Bloom grilled a friend of mine pretty hard on his coastal submission. >>>
I guess I should qualify my statement better, since I also had Roger "reject" a friends coastal rainbow. But then again, it was an obvious hatchery fish, no fins or much of a tail left!!!!! :fart:

What Roger actually told me was, if it comes from a historical drainage, and it looks any thing like a wild fish, it will qualify!!! He also did mention that every year he get's a few HTC applications with a brook trout instead of a cuttie and rejects those also, so he does actually look at the pics!!!! :booty:

by **RiverRat** » April 29th, 2010, 4:01 pm

Found the source of my confusion...my brain

http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/datastore/datas ... number=241

Rainbow Trout/Steelhead juveniles have 5-13 parr marks and Goldens have about 10 as the UC Davis people say,,and Bob :rockon:

So Bob..your HTC Golden musta beena mutt too :lol:

But who cares since it qualified :rockon:

shane

by **NorcalBob** » April 29th, 2010, 6:15 pm

I dunno, Joe Tomerrelli's illustration on my HTC certificate has 13 parr marks!!!!!! :roll:

by **Papasequoia** » April 29th, 2010, 7:50 pm

I have a picture of one I caught that has 26 parr marks.

by **rayfound** » April 30th, 2010, 1:51 pm

In all my readings of Trout Biology, the number of Parr Markings has never been mentioned as a major trait for species identification, rather, Scale counts, Gill Rakers, the Presence of Basibranchial Teeth, and chromosomal count. We, being fishermen, are always looking for traits which we can see visually, but nature's much more complicated than that.

The only sub-species where spotting/coloration is considered extremely important is the Paiute Cutts, as they are so closely related to the Lahontans, that there is little in the way distinguishing the two besides coloration/spotting patterns.

by **Gary C.** » April 30th, 2010, 5:03 pm

Papasequoia wrote:I have a picture of one I caught that has 26 parr marks.

Is that 13 on each side?

by **209er** » April 30th, 2010, 6:50 pm

Oh us fly fisherman are so holier than thou. :doh:

What a stupid subject we have embarked upon! All of you including me have started with bait and your attitudes makes me ashamed of being part of this sport! I'm with Rollincast, let's fish for CARP!!!!!! Anyone up for single malt? :lol: