Chris Kuhn wrote:Well now we are just discussing extremes. Surely there can be some middle ground that can be considered acceptable?
Again I bring up my example of perfectly beautiful water that may have had picnickers. I think if you are unwilling to fish that water because you do not have it exclusively to yourself, you are being a bit of a snob. BTW being a snob is not really a bad thing as long as you recognize it in yourself. I also think that it can be perceived as rude if you go somewhere where there are other fisherman present and assume you should have all the water within a quarter mile of you.
I hope I am not offending anyone, as that is not my intent. I just don't share some of the same attitudes as others on this issue. I like people.
Papasequoia wrote:I'm not snobby or elitist, I'm a misanthrope.
rayfound wrote:Papasequoia wrote:I'm not snobby or elitist, I'm a misanthrope.
nope. You're a Linguist.
DrCreek wrote:You (as "the other" fisherman), don't necessarily have to do anything at all. No one is expecting you as the other fisherman to "leap frog," avoid, or choose "good etiquette" when dealing with other fishermen. If we expected that, we'd constantly be * off because in reality, good stream etiquette is something rarely seen - particularly at put-and-take fisheries like Bishop Creek in the Eastern Sierra. It may not be in your make-up as a flyfisherman or bait fisherman to practice good etiquette. With that in mind, Midger and others like him have decided (after years of experiencing this kind of stuff) that they will more than likely be the ones that will have to do the legwork and move on simply because most people don't get it. And that's okay with the Midgers of the world. We tend to move on... alot. Some people seriously just don't understand what we see as "good etiquette" and we in turn understand that. We move on, we often times * about it along the way, then once we get settled into another nice honey hole we tend to forget about it - until the next occurence takes place. And rest assured, there will be a next occurence.
DrCreek wrote:Chris Kuhn wrote: ...In fact insisting that unless someone gives you a big chunk of the river they are practicing bad etiquette in many instances would be poor etiquette.
This may not be Chris bashing. But I am standing my ground on this issue. Part of good etiquette is about being willing and able to share the river.
I totally respect the fact that you aren't "backing down" on your stance. I wouldn't either. No one is asking you to. But we are hoping you see our position for what we believe it to be worth.
I don't know where the breakdown is here, Chris. You're saying in essence (as quoted above) that Midger and myself are practicing poor etiquette because we feel that everyone else should have good etiquette and be respectful of everyone else's space (as we believe we do)? Uh, okay. Is it not fair for me to think that everyone should be respectful towards others and their space?
DrCreek wrote:Just don't climb in the water with me at all unless you're invited to. Isn't that common courtesy? It was when I learned how to flyfish - and that was 41 years ago.
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